tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post877396576847443697..comments2023-12-22T10:05:42.994-05:00Comments on Put Up Your Dukes: triple standard questionskeight dukeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04887072283297653771noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post-2439048134032304382013-12-31T11:53:47.769-05:002013-12-31T11:53:47.769-05:00man, it sounds like there are definitely some deep...man, it sounds like there are definitely some deep wounds there. i am so sorry for that. i do think you are mistaking me though as someone with narrow-minded views (in the way i think you mean it)<br /><br />i definitely put in the "YET" with reservations, knowing that it could offend for the very reasons you stated, but decided it's worth it and vital in expressing my point of view.. it's much more of an open door, though, than a "we'll get you eventually!"<br /><br />2 reasons:<br /><br />1. the bible says that one day everyone will know the truth. so the yet is necessary in that regard since i do believe in the truth of the bible. if i believe in jesus, and his word, then i have to believe that part too that one day, everyone is going to know the full truth, the whole story, even if they didnt believe it or downright hated it their entire lives. eventually that will be the only point of view.<br /><br />2. i never want to draw a line and say "them and us," so i use "yet" to say who knows what could happen? i'm unwilling to exclude anyone at any point. <br /><br />my use of "yet" really isnt an assumption that all people will become christian, that would be a silly assumption and i definitely do not hold it. and i know HUNDREDS of reasons why people would not want anything to do with jesus or his people. the "yet" isnt devaluing that. <br /><br />it is there to say, "hey, if you do change your mind, we are thrilled! and none more than jesus." i will continue to believe (not assume) that everyone WILL see things in the same light one day (not my light or my way) and i will also continue to completely understand why so many dont currently want to. <br /><br />once upon a time i was a "never, no thank you," to jesus and the church. so my story was one of yet. of jesus-followers who didnt give up on loving me where i was, and so i want to be that kind of believer too. <br /><br />thanks for being honest! i pray that yall run into some christians who surprise you in a good way!keight dukeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04887072283297653771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post-69095398195385758762013-12-21T09:16:45.657-05:002013-12-21T09:16:45.657-05:00First I always love reading what ya think! I thin...First I always love reading what ya think! I think one important thing for all of us to think about is that we saw/read bits of an interview. How long did they talk? What else was said? Just like the Bible we can't take one verse and think we can understand the chapter or book. Are we judging his remarks that a magazine pulled bits and pieces to print? IDK...but I do know, we don't know all of what was talked about or said that day. We only read/see what they want us too. Melonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14614296683090326867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post-1660721520224386702013-12-20T16:12:03.046-05:002013-12-20T16:12:03.046-05:00I appreciated your calm thoughts on this subject a...I appreciated your calm thoughts on this subject and mostly agreed up to this point. "the ones who dont yet hold themselves to standard #2?"<br /><br />This assumes that all people will become Christian, that no one has a reason for not seeing things in the same light as you. As someone who was raised in the church, grandfather was a Baptist preacher as was my father in law, the church has left two people with deep scars with such narrow minded views. <br /><br />I do appreciate your points, and I agree with most of them. But please do not assume that everyone will or even wants to see things in the same light. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post-7889366856060352412013-12-20T11:24:06.714-05:002013-12-20T11:24:06.714-05:00Thank you for sharing such a calm, concise, and we...Thank you for sharing such a calm, concise, and well thought out viewpoint! Whether we're throwing Phil under the bus or valiantly defending him, we need to look at all sides. My first thought of both Dan Cathy's and Phil Robertson's statements was that they're lacking love too, and they're not the only Christian voices I want represented. Judging by Facebook, I'm in the minority. The remarks are not sending people into the church in droves (quite the opposite!), despite the fact that I think that's what Phil is trying to do: lead people to God. Communication occurs when the message intended is the message received. I do not think either intended to express anything but love; however, love was not received. When love is not received, clarifications and/or apologies are needed. Chick-fil-A, despite many supporters of the remarks, took a hard look at themselves, reevaluated what organizations they support, and adopted an anti discrimination policy. That is the epitome of Christlike and love. Phil needs to reevaluate himself as well. I feel like the statement to TMZ along with the family statement were sorely lacking and hiding behind the Bible. He most certainly does not need to apologize for his opinions and beliefs but for the lack of love, which hurt a lot of people. And don't do it because you lost your job or because Al Sharpton, GLAAD, and countless others are offended. Do it because it's the best way to represent Christ. I would love to see him turn this around while still remaining true to his beliefs. (Side note: Keight, I've been a long time reader (read: creeper) and throughly enjoy your posts and viewpoints!)ATNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02083717948414859682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post-34745849036051312172013-12-20T10:59:16.479-05:002013-12-20T10:59:16.479-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.ATNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02083717948414859682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post-80525090314902219402013-12-19T23:37:34.015-05:002013-12-19T23:37:34.015-05:00Actually, it is still legal in many states to fire...Actually, it is still legal in many states to fire someone for being gay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post-59482589460737076352013-12-19T19:02:17.018-05:002013-12-19T19:02:17.018-05:00Hear hear to all of it! Yes, my thoughts exactly.....Hear hear to all of it! Yes, my thoughts exactly...mEverychapterhttp://www.mssdphoto.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post-79984820570402059042013-12-19T17:09:02.915-05:002013-12-19T17:09:02.915-05:00great point about A&E. also, goodness gracious...great point about A&E. also, goodness gracious I love Pope Francis :)Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08974119137861459963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post-73144780703773282542013-12-19T16:10:29.919-05:002013-12-19T16:10:29.919-05:00My favorite line: " i just disagree that the ...My favorite line: " i just disagree that the statement above is in anyway an expression of the christ i know."<br />Thank you for this. Kainoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post-71700757773850544102013-12-19T15:56:06.372-05:002013-12-19T15:56:06.372-05:00I don't follow the tv show and have just read ...I don't follow the tv show and have just read a smattering out fb outrage. that being said, 2 thoughts come to me before i can fully vet them. i think people get a little pissy when a network like a and e becomes sanctimonious because it is a tv channel that exploits the mentally unstable on shows like hoarders for general amusement. i am guessing duck dynasty is a scripted tv show...and that a and e loves the long beard, country, evangelical, aspect of the duck guys for ratings, and heavily promotes the show and that aspect of them (from clips i have seen, they pray a lot and are forward with their beliefs)...so it seems ambivalent to fire someone for espousing beliefs that are representative of the manner in which the show is promoted. <br />also, i agree, i cannot see Jesus discussing sin, or sinners, in the way the duck guy did...but at the same time, we are all just poor, poor imitations. we all speak off the cuff, and sometimes try to be witty about serious things when we should be sober, but it is hard being human and imperfect and all. i was uncomfortable reading the quote, and dont like the way he talked, pope francis says it much better and kinder (but we all fall short of him too, just not on the same scale:). <br /> it does disturb me that if anyone publicly has an opinion that contradicts the pc, quite liberal world we live in, there is a witch hunt. i detest the fact that sexual politics often becomes the battle ground for christian theology vs. secularism...our pope had similar criticisms in an interview a couple months back, but he still reiterated that we stand by our belief...lets just focus on spreading Christs love more than our opinions about sex. the media jumps on a quote that can make headlines, and the duck guys promotion of family and adoption, etc. are religious based too, just not incendiary in our modern world. <br />sorry for the rambing. your 1, 2, 3 points are very logical. although, i do feel like a and e has no moral highground :) <br /> Betsyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164338748942349594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5261923494451820843.post-90440016379010541872013-12-19T15:44:06.331-05:002013-12-19T15:44:06.331-05:00just wanted to creepily say I totally love you and...just wanted to creepily say I totally love you and your blog even though I don't know you! thanks for such a thoughtful post, especially the last 3 paragraphs. and I like how you broke it down into #'s 1, 2, and 3... I think people often get confused about what the First Amendment really guarantees them.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08974119137861459963noreply@blogger.com